Netherlands online get-together
- Start
- 2024-04-17 20:00 CEST
- End
- 22:00 CEST
- Location
- Description
Online get-together of Netherlands
NL: Onze online localgroup bijeenkomst. Deze is open voor iedereen en we schakelen naar het Engels als niet iedereen Nederlands begrijpt.
EN: Our online localgroup meeting. It is open for everybody, and we'll switch to English if not everybody understands Dutch.
Get-together 17 April 2024
Attendance
- André
- Sam
- Geert-Jan
- Nico
Agenda + minutes
Recent events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html
Upcoming events https://fsfe.org/events/events.html
4-5 May 2024 Libreplanet https://libreplanet.org/2024/
18 May 2024 ⭐ WikiconNL https://www.wikimedia.nl/actueel/nieuws/save-the-date-zaterdag-18-mei-wikiconnl-2024/
21 May 2024 NLUUG voorjaarsbijeenkomst https://nluug.nl/evenementen/nluug/voorjaarsconferentie-2024/
- 1-2 June 2024 ⭐ T-Dose, Geldrop
- Idea track Public Code
- Opportunities to generate discussion on moving forward, from different perspectives
- Will support this from FSFE-perspective
- Suggestions for presentations are welcome
- FSFE Booth?
- Yes, both days
6-7 June 2024 PublicSpaces conference Amsterdam
FSFE updates https://fsfe.org/news/news.nl.html
- Politics
Roundtable digital infrastructure and economy https://www.tweedekamer.nl/debat_en_vergadering/commissievergaderingen/details?id=2024A01583
- Meeting digital sovereignty 27th of March
- 28th March call for digital sovereignty in Amsterdam (unanimous)
25 April meeting Digital Commons https://opensource.pleio.nl/events/view/78420043-7cdf-4bcf-aea4-0bb505050f27/bouwen-aan-de-digitale-commons-naar-een-gedeeld-en-collaboratief-internet
5 June 2024 https://commons.ngi.eu/event/ngi-commons-workshop-2024/
- Banking apps
- No news from Triodos.
Also bad news, ASN, SNS and Regio ending with their own app for contactless payment https://tweakers.net/nieuws/220128/asn-sns-en-regiobank-stappen-over-naar-google-pay-voor-contactloos-betalen.html
Previous meeting: criteria for rating banks for banking freedom: https://wiki.fsfe.org/Events/Netherlands/2024-03-20
- Idea wiki page
- With criteria
- Banks with relevant details, and changelog (when checked)
- Keep it up to date
- Can be something to refer to for others, including media.
- Bonus points for a bank that has an app in the F-Droid store
- Relevance: not optional to have a bank account
- Next step is to lobby for legislation
- Free Software in Education (CEDO)
- Kennisnet meeting
- Looking for funding, but also need persons to execute on the funding
- Presentation being worked on
Iddink data leak https://sivon.nl/2024/04/iddink-learning-materials-aangevallen-door-cybercriminelen/ centralisation of information increases the impact of a hack.
grotere partijen zijn niet persee beter in security: https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/3/23819237/microsoft-azure-breach-blatantly-negligent-cybersecurity-practices
Court case about Avast privacy violations https://cuic.eu/
Wikicon NL 2024 https://www.wikimedia.nl/wikiconnl-2024/
- André will present about the FSFE
- T-DOSE 1-2 june (deadline for presentations is 10may)
- Ada Zangemann book translation: proof reading
- Looks like we can do a first reading at T-DOSE
Banking freedom wiki (starting point)
Criteria
- All functionality in the website
- No app needed for authentication, can be an issued device or solution via token
- Premium: banking via API's
- Optimum: no app needed: PWA/.... Lesser: code of app available, app in F-Droid available
- Red: only app is available. Orange: some functionality only in the app. Green: works without app.
- Idea to use this scoring system:
- Knab: red (banking via website, but phasing out identifier)
Bunq: red (app-only) idea to use API for a FOSS app https://github.com/BunqCommunity/BunqDesktop
- Triodos: red/orange: phasing out identifier (red) and not all functionality in the website (orange)
- ASN: red/orange: phasing out identifier (red), Googlepay mandatory for contacless payments
- Ing: green (bit towards orange): less supported route, more of a hassle.
Netherlands
General information
Trackers in the Android apps: https://delft.piratenpartij.nl/2022/08/22/tikkie-deze-partijen-kijken-met-je-mee/
Some banks signed a commitment for alternatives, mostly analog alternatives https://www.betaalvereniging.nl/wp-content/uploads/commitment-banken-beter-toegankelijk-betalingsverkeer.pdf
Multiple banks offering browsercode. I don't know much about the technical implication, but I have been told by ASN Bank it is essentially a long living cookie in your browser, which requires some second factor to set up. That second factor could be either the app or you registered phone number.
Triodos \[red\]
- ✅ Browsercode for online login, can be created without the app
- ❌ Not all functionality of the app on the website
- ❌ Digital identifier being phased out
ING \[orange\]
- ✅ Digital identifier still available
Rabobank
- ✅ Digital identifier still available
ABN AMRO
- ❌ Digital identifier being phased out
- ING: scanner device
- Rabo: scanner device
- Volksbank:
- ASN: browsercode
- Regiobank: browsercode (phases out digipas device)
- SNS: browsercode (phases out digipas device)
- ABNAMRO: not an option, phases out their e.dentifier device)
- Bunq: not an option)
- Triodos: not an option, phases out their identifier device)
ASN is also going to phase out the hardware token generator (Digipas). The remaining options will then be authentication through the app or browsercode.
I don't know much about the technical implication, but I have been told by ASN Bank it is essentially a long living cookie in your browser, which requires some second factor to set up. That second factor could be either the app or you registered phone number.
Other meetings on the wiki overview page: Events/Netherlands